[Christoph Heuer]

Hello everyone,

the subject line says it all. For a change we do not talk about realistic options, workshop capacity or money but just dreams.

Personally, I would like to see 106 return rather sooner than later. The upstairs seats are a bit awkward but with the electric brake it is a beautiful car to drive. Just put in the third brake notch coming down fom Glory Mine to let is coast gently and do not worry about you right arm.

What do you think?

Kind regards

Christoph

[bluegoblin7]

Well, I would like to see 1282 back in service - I think if they ran both the Glasgow Streamliners together it would provide some great pics!

Out of trams in store, definitely the Dreadnought - come 59! I've never seen it in service (on account of it being withdrawn the year I was born!), and would like to see it back in action!

Out of trams that i've actually been on, definitely 602 - it's my favourite tram ever, it's one of only 4 trams with VAMBAC - and of only 2 in the UK, and it looks amazing! If only they'd gone into service!

And, just one more choice (well, 2!), would be New York 674 and Den Haag 1147 (has it ever run though?), as we don't actually have any operational PCC cars, yet we have a big display!

BG

[Andrew 7]

Where do I start!? Leeds 602 definitly should be running again, and soon - it is always such a big draw whenever it comes out, as is Blackpool 166, although I understand that one will be returned to service soon.

How about Newcastle 102? I'd love to see it repaired, it's a great people mover and a bit different from the other open-toppers in the operational fleet. Obviously Blackpool 59 is a big favourite with many people, but 102 would surely be the next best thing, and should be a lot cheaper and easier to get back into action.

[bluegoblin7]

I must agree!

I LOVE 602 as I said - surely if Crich can build AccessTrams, Restore Trams etc, they can fix a leaky roof?!?! Or just run it on sunny days!

Blackpool 166 - YES!!! This car is going to be repaired this year, can't wait!

Newcastle 102... I must also agree about the cost, and if anyone does want the Dreadnought, then this is a close as you can get in short term. Would be very popular too.

Dreadnought: I think we knoe my views on this tram car... Anyone who thinks it should be unrestored should be shot. I would love to see it running at Blackpool. Who know's? Boxcar 40's there!

Thanks,

BG

[Andrew 7]

I must agree!

I LOVE 602 as I said - surely if Crich can build AccessTrams, Restore Trams etc, they can fix a leaky roof?!?! Or just run it on sunny days!

602's leaky roof actually was fixed! I don't know why it didn't run last year - I believe there was a reason although it wasn't reported in the Journal or Conatct why. Good to see another big fan of that tram though, as it's one of my favourites.

[bluegoblin7]

Thought i'd add pics of the suggested trams for the less informed:

1282


602


166


106

and finally:

102.

I don't have any pics of 59, 1147 or 674 in my collection as far as i'm aware, but i'll take a look!

BG

[bluegoblin7]

Yes, I think that must be the case. I rode on it at Enthusiast's Day in 2003, but havn't seen it since. I believe (but can someone else PLEASE comment!) that the fault returned, but I guess we won't know any time soon.

I also doubt it will be commisioned for 2008, even though we have a shortage of all weather singles - Gateshead 5, Blackpool 167 and Leeds 602 come to mind - and 2 have wheel-rail interface problems!

BG

[Christoph Heuer]

Hello everyone,

As there is some uncertainty I forwarded the question on the current condition of 602 to the TMS Board and received some information from Malcolm Wright who was the Board member responsible at the time of the most recent work done to 602.

Malcolm wrote:

"Leeds 602 was completely repainted externally by the TMS staff painter Peter Malone, following the remedial work on the roof which, as far as I know doesn't leak. The painting is a beautiful job, and took from early November 2005 to mid July 2006 to do. The tram ran for seven days in 2006, the last day being Thursday 5th September.
It has not run since."

This should resolve the matter.

Kind regards

Christoph

[gprior]

Well there are so many trams to choose from, and each have their own merits and I'm sure we could all give an argument for everything being restored!

Personally as well as those such as Dreadnought 59 mentioned before I would love to see Leicester 76 running again. It is a local tram and I happened to spend three years of my life in Leicester at University so it kind of has a place in my heart!

Grimsby & Immingham 14 in service would be great as well, as there is just something about that tram!

I just hope that the next restoration is not another London or Leeds tram as we seem to have quite enough of those! (I know that a lot of funding comes from London which is why we get them )

Gareth

[Nick]

Trams i would like to see run in the near future include the following

Blackpool 59 (Because its a 'intresting' vehicle in so many ways)

Leeds 602 (Mainly cause its a link between 1st and 2nd generation)

Leicester 76 (Just for the reversed stairs and the beauty thats inside)

Blackpool 5 (One man operation, perfect winter car)

MBRO 84 (Steam tram..say no more)

and CWJ 410 the sheffield motor tower wagon, just cause its something we don't represent at the moment.

However that is my wish list. We also have to consider that as a National institution we have curatorial issues over many vehicles, if they haven't been touched by anyone and are original then they should be conserved. This should certainly be the case with a tram such as Sheffield 264 where (as far as i'm aware without research) nothing other than a repaint has taken place in preservation.

Nick

[Christoph Heuer]

Hello,

I have removed two posts at the request of a person involved as the post contained an inaccurate quote attributed to that person.

Kind regards

Christoph

[Tom Foxon]

I agree with Christoph. Without 106 we have no car with the traditional English pattern of electric brake which all drivers are allowed to drive. 1622 has always been restricted to a favoured few. 106 is definitely my favourite tram.
Tom Foxon

[Paul_Turner]

I don't know if this is of interest but below is when I believe the Crich fleet last ran at the museum. Any corrections welcome!

* - updates added 2/2/08 thanks to corrections identified.

System No Last Ran Location
Blackpool Loco Current Crich
Blackpool 4 2005 Clay Cross
Blackpool 5 Never Crich
Blackpool 40 Current Crich [*though spent 2007 under overhaul]
Blackpool 49 1992 Crich
Blackpool 59 1970 Clay Cross
Blackpool 166 2006* Crich [*work scheduled to return car to service]
Blackpool 167 Current Crich
Blackpool 298 Never Crich
B&F 2 Current Crich
B&F 40 1965 Blackpool
Berlin 3006 Current Crich
Brussells 96 Never Crich
Cardiff 131 Never Crich
Chesterfld 7 Current Crich
Chesterfd 8 1993 Crich
Derby 1 Never Crich
Douglas 1 Never Crich
Dundee 21 Never Crich
Edinburgh 35 Never Crich (tested on arrival)
Gateshead 5 2006* Crich
Gateshead 52 Never Clay Cross
Glasgow 21 Never Clay Cross
Glasgow 22 Current Crich
Glasgow 812 Current Crich
Glasgow 1100 1976 Clay Cross
Glasgow 1115 1976 Crich
Glasgow 1282 2003? Crich
Glasgow 1297 2007* Crich
Glasgow 1 Never Clay Cross
Grimsby 14 Never Crich
Halle 902 2006 Crich
HTM 1147 Never Crich
Howth 10 Never Crich
Hull Milnes Never Clay Cross
Hull 132 Never Hull
Jo'burg 60 Current Crich
Leam'ton 1 Never Crich
Leeds 2 Current Crich
Leeds 180 Current Crich
Leeds 345 Current Crich
Leeds 399 Current Crich
Leeds 600 1972 Clay Cross
Leeds 602 2006 Crich
Leicester 76 1975 Crich
Liverpool 869 Current Crich
London 106 Current Crich
London Curry Rivel Never Clay Cross?
London 1 Never Crich
London 1622 Current Crich
London Utd159 Never Crich
Manchester765 1978 Heaton Park
MBRO 84 Never Clay Cross
MET 331 Current Crich
NSW 47 lt 80s Crich
Newcastle 102 2000 Crich
Notting'm 92 Never Clay Cross
Notting'm 166 Never Clay Cross
North Met Never Clay Cross
Oporto 9 ? Crich
Oporto 273 Current Crich
Paisley 68 Current* Crich
Prague 180 2001 Crich
Sheffield 15 2006 Crich
Sheffield 46 1973 Clay Cross
Sheffield 74 Current Crich
Sheffield 189 1980 Crich
Sheffield 264 1980 Crich
Sheffield 330 Current Crich
Sheffield 510 Current Crich [*Did this operate in 2007??]
South'ton 45 Current Crich
New York 674 1985 Crich

Paul

[andrewpendleton]

I don't know if this is of interest but below is when I believe the Crich fleet last ran at the museum. Any corrections welcome!

System No Last Ran Location
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Glasgow 1297 1989 Crich
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Paul

Glasgow 1297 last ran last year (2007) - I did a trip on it after passing my conductors test

Andrew

[Paul_Turner]

Glasgow 1297 last ran last year (2007) - I did a trip on it after passing my conductors test

Andrew

Oops - and I rode on it too!
Thanks!
Paul